The Ultimate 146 Collection includes the BAe146 and Avro RJ series, a four engined regional aircraft series by British Aerospace. 2 of the 146’s are mixed passenger/cargo variants that were bought secondhand for intra theatre lift in Afghanistan. It never really sold that well being engineered for a market that really failed to materialise. Hi John It is a challenge, the only other way is to go down the A220 and A320 Neo route and have all transport aircraft made by Airbus and all ISTAR aircraft made by Boeing. The fleet of 14 Voyager will continue to support the collective Air Transport task including VIP and Command Support Air Transport tasking.”. They could just buy one 5000 and take a dry lease on another for when it’s U/S and in maintenance. The BAe-146M variant is a convertible passenger/cargo configuration with a large cargo door and an advanced direct infra-red laser countermeasure system fitted for operations in and out of hostile territories. Lets also not forget the fact that the monarchy has been a bit of a balancer over the last 5 years of political madness as well. A RAF source said “no decisions” had been made on the replacement for the BAe 146s. It has been confirmed that replacements for 32 (The Royal) Squadron BAE 146 aircraft are being considered. PICTURE: RAF takes delivery of BAe 146 C3 transports. BAe at one point had a serious stake in Civil aviation, they choose to focus on defence. Exclusively operated out of RAF Northolt by 32 (The Royal) Squadron, the BAe 146 is primarily tasked in the Command Support Air Transport (CSAT) role.Two 146 variants are operational, the VIP-configured CC.Mk 2 and the Quick Change (QC) C.Mk 3, which can be rapidly converted between passenger and cargo configurations. I was just watching a news segment on the Royal Family yesterday on Sky News titled “Why Does Britain Still Have a Royal Family?”. A pair (BAe 146-200) then were taken into formal service, replacing the outgoing 1950s-era Hawker Siddeley Andover in the role, under the designation of CC.2 designation. If the 146 switched to a twin RR Pearl set up, it would still be viable on short, rough airfields. In 2012 the civil list was abolished and the royal family receive a % of crown estate profits. And should be a base for a southern QRA flight! Two BAe 146-100s (designated BAe 146 CC.2) were purchased in 1984 for the Queen's Flight as a result, with delivery in 1986. Using Internet Explorer 8? Gareth Thomas, Member of Parliament for Harrow West, asked via a written question: “To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, when the four BAe 146 aircraft based at RAF Northolt will be retired from service; when replacements for those aircraft will be procured; how many such replacements will be procured; how much funding from the public purse has been allocated to replacing those aircraft; and whether the RAF Voyager ZZ336 will be used for short haul trips previously undertaken by those aircraft.”. I should add the ideal would be 3-4 Global 5000’s. 0 bids. I think the only way the 146 could have survived is if the Avro part of the business had been spun off but they didn’t have a competitive product making any buyers hard to find. Certainly the 146 in its final config would not have sold but as we’ve seen with Neo versions of airbus’s, evolution of the airframe and engines can result in a competitive design. In June of that year, two leased 146-100s temporarily joined the ranks at RAF Brize Norton. Government does not trust MoD to deliver to a price. UK companies are always out for quick short term profit gain rather than strategic planning for long term future profits. This could potentially mean refitting the VIP Voyager for standard duties, as the dedicated aircraft will be able to do the job. The BAe 146 is a medium sized commercial aircraft, powered by four turbofan jet engines, which was manufactured in the United Kingdom by British Aerospace. The Global 5000 was launched in February 2002. An RAF BAe 146 from 32 (The Royal Squadron) at Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan. In just two months two BAe146 Mk.3 aircraft operated by 32 (The Royal) Squadron at RAF Northolt have been adapted to transport critically ill patients and RAF medical staff for the first time.. Wing Commander Jo Bland is Officer Commanding Tactical Medical Wing (TMW). Would love your thoughts, please comment. Recent news items on 32 […] To some degree it is… Read more », Good Afternoon All With the retirement of both legacy 125 and 146 fleets the RAF have no created the opportunity to take a different approach when it comes to the VIP/laision solutions required to satisfy the need. The BAe 146 is a quiet, rugged, self-sufficient aircraft equipped with comprehensive back-up systems. This model represents ZE708, one of two refurbished BAE 146-200's purchased by the Royal Air Force in April 2012 to supplement the transport capability of the RAF. It was envisaged as an unusual machine from the outset, employing relatively low powered turbofans and offering exceptional field performance over short routes. The pair entered operational service with the air arm in March 2013 after being acquired by the MoD for £3.91m under an Urgent Operational Requirement (UOR) to support the drawdown of UK forces in Afghanistan. It was a great design that was let down by management and lack of ambition. No, RAF Northolt is well placed for London air defence (such as during the Olympics), has a large number of relatively modern facilities, is well placed for its VIP transport role, and actually makes a profit for the RAF due to the high number of business jets that use it. Do we still need a replacement other than civil hire? BAE Systems has handed over two upgraded BAe 146-200 Quick Change (QC) aircraft to the UK Royal Air Force (RAF). Last year, we reported that the future of 32 (The Royal) Squadron was left in doubt when it was revealed that the RAF was looking to sell off its BAE 146 transport fleet. BAE has continually tried to interest buyers in more military oriented versions equipped with inflight refuelling probes and rear ramps with the latest effort called the 146M. How is that naive? British RAF BAe 146s have served as VIP transport in the "Queen's Flight", originally leased and trialed as the CC.1. I suspect they will go with a whole new fleet, they need more than one for all the tasks where a military specified communications aircraft might be needed, not just for government or other VIP tasks, and the 146s are old and expensive to operate. The crown estates also make a profit whilst ensuring some of the most important buildings, land and other assets are maintained for the nation. George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval defence technology and cyber security matters. It could also have been a far more successful Civilian aircraft too if they had developed it further. Quiet Trader variants of all three models were available, while availability of the Quick Change convertible variants of the 146-200QT and -300QT was announced in 1988. Prestwick, Scotland, BAE Systems has been awarded a £15.5 million contract by the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) for the conversion of two BAe 146-200QC (Quick Change) aircraft from commercial to military configuration for use by the Royal Air Force. The problem is systemic. In August 2008, a total of 140 BAE 146 aircraft (all variants) remained in … The RAF was created on 1 April 1918, when the Royal Flying Corps and the Royal Naval Air Service were merged. According to their numbers; the Royals cost the British tax payers about 67 million pounds per year, but The Firm helps bring in approximately 1.8 billion pounds a year to the country. Buying US defence companies like United Defence is always going to be a better bet for them. With the UK economy declining soon after the announcement, however, work continued only at a trickle, before Hawker Siddeley was absorbed into the nationalised British Aerospace (BAe) in 1977. It is assembled in Toronto Canada, the nacelles, horizontal stabiliser and forward fuselage are made in Belfast. The BAe 146 fleet comprises two BAe 146-100 aircraft, which are designated in the RAF service as BAe 146 CC Mk2 and two BAe 146-200QC (Quick Change) variants with a large freight door in the rear fuselage. British Aerospace Bae 146 CC.2; Reg: ZE700 full info | ZE700 photos; Serial #: E1021 Airline: United Kingdom - Royal Air Force (RAF) Photo Date: Dec 16, 2020; Uploaded: Dec 20, 2020; Brussels Zaventem Int'l Airport - EBBR, Belgium Meant to add this link above… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWk-0X48-dw. The RAF’s BAe 146 CC3 fleet comprises two former-TNT Airways aircraft, which have been modified to carry out a tactical airlifter role. This. Meanwhile, BAe was busy producing the lengthened 146-200, which sacrificed some of the -100’s airfield capability for additional capacity, and the longer-still 146-300. The irony is that since 2008 crisis defence budgets have been cut and civil aviation has grown considerable. The BAe 146 is a medium-sized commercial aircraft, manufactured until 2002. Outside VIP work, the CC.Mk 2 has an operational role in-theatre, providing essential support to military commanders by moving personnel and smaller freight items. Designed for a maximum of 93 passengers, the Series 100 flew for the first time on September 3, 1981 and completed its first revenue service, with Dan-Air, on May 27, 1983. Brand new. Another irony is that RR have also lost out as they didn’t have an engine for smaller twin jets that are now dominating the civil market. Two 146 variants are operational, the VIP-configured CC.Mk 2 and the Quick Change (QC) C.Mk 3, which can be rapidly converted between passenger and cargo configurations. Something like 130 146s remain in operation so even in the old 4 engine config it remains a competitive option on some routes. That saves a lot of money. PICTURE: RAF takes delivery of BAe 146 C3 transports. Of course no one would buy a business that was run into the ground. Dominic Cummings has apparently favoured soft power over military power and so there are already arguments happening…, Its a shame the BAe 146 wing was never updated to the twin engine config that was proposed. The Royal Air Force’s aforementioned refurbished BAe-146 additions are dubbed BAe-146Ms and are converted from ex-TNT Airways airframes. The aircraft has Short Take-Off and Landing (STOL) capabilities and very quiet operation; it has … Not holding my breath. It does seem the planning goes along the lines of, an asset hits it end of service and is pulled, and then and only then do they start thinking replacement, rather than having things nicely lined up. An RAF BAe 146 C.3 at Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan in 2014. If there was any logic in MoD/HM Treasury, 32 sqn would get a pair of new Global 5500 + a 2nd hand V2500 A319CJ. Again with more Embraer aircaft in the UK the opportunity for a European maintenance hub becomes possible – you only… Read more ». The aircraft is part of the RAF 904 Expeditionary Air Wing based at Kandahar Air Base. It could have been a real backbone utility aircraft to our forces as it could have been fitted out in all sorts of configurations. BAE has continually tried to interest buyers in more military oriented versions equipped with inflight refuelling probes and rear ramps with the latest effort called the 146M. You might have found a… Read more ». © 2021 Royal Air Force. Since that sales Civil has boomed whilst defence budgets have been cut. The aircraft primarily used to transport the Royal Family and other VIPs. With the CC.2 gone keeping the C.3 on would be too costly and I can’t see the RAF getting… Read more ». That is a major issue culturally for the UK. It could have been so much better. The decision to retain part of the C-130J fleet in addition to the A400 has probably removed some of the need for them in the interim. The C3 retains the 10ft 11in × 6ft 4in (3.33 × 1.93m) rear-fuselage freight door of the civilian QC model, providing for convenient loading of palletised freight. Global 5000…Canadian co. How appropriate for moving members of the Royal family around!!. 20 Feb 1991 4x LY ALF502R-5 ... Royal Air Force . Are you sure? Thats all good and well for replacing the VIP 146’s. The firm say there is an optional private room aft and the galley has room to prepare 16 five-course meals. Where has it been announced RAF Northolt is closing? Exclusively operated out of RAF Northolt by 32 (The Royal) Squadron, the BAe 146 is primarily tasked in the Command Support Air Transport role. The CC2 is extremely versatile, with excellent shortfield performance, good ‘hot-and-high’ airfield capability (operating off hot climate/high altitude runways), and has the ability to fly from semi-prepared landing strips. Point to Point rather the spoke and hub appears to be winning with the twin jets winning over the larger 4 engines. That would provide training for flight crews going on to Sentinel, provide a replacement for the long gone 125’s but also remove the need for the Voyager VIP suite, which whilst necessary, probably isn’t needed that often in reality. They’re probably the most useful ones. Confirmation that Royal BAe 146 aircraft to be replaced, Social Media and Comment Moderation Policy. The launch customer in March 1983 was Dan-Air. Please switch to using Chrome if you can. Why have we four 146’s? BAe 146 CC2 ZE700 (msn E1021) of the Royal Air Force’s No.32 (The Royal) Squadron received special markings to mark the RAF’s 100th anniversary. Hi John Whilst it would be good to get more UK sourced air platforms into the system we are now, with regards small narrow bodied passenger aircraft a 737 customer – however this does mean that with volume of aircraft comes extra maintenance work (Marshalls or A.N other company). As we have seen over the last 10 years 32 Sqn has been utilised for everything from inter-theatre liaison to medium haul VVIP transport and has used 2 fixed wing… Read more ». . An updated 146 could not be as economical as a new Airbus A220, but a twin Pearl 146 could go places an A220 would not dare. Her Majesty has dedicated her entire life to the country. ... by the resulting air accident crash after he overshot the runway and caused one millions pounds of damage to the BAE 146 aeroplane. All produced passenger variants have been included, such as the old BAe146-100, -200 and the newer BAe146-300, but also the heavily upgraded Avro RJ series. Royal Air Force Fleet of BAE146 (Active) - Aviation website for aircraft and airline information (flight, photo, travel, fleet listing, production list of Airbus Boeing Douglas Embraer Dash, ATR, Sukhoi, Saab...), plane photos, flightlog database, aviation news, civil aviation forum, aviation store. Christ that reminds me of Wittering’s old Officers Mess. They sold that as they thought civil aviation would be less profitable than defence. Production ran from 1983 until 2002. Designated 146 CC.Mk 1, they evaluated the type as a possible replacement for the Andover turboprops then in service with The Queen’s Flight. Royal Air Force Fleet of BAE146 (Active) - Aviation website for aircraft and airline information (flight, photo, travel, fleet listing, production list of Airbus Boeing Douglas Embraer Dash, ATR, Sukhoi, Saab...), plane photos, flightlog database, aviation news, civil aviation forum, aviation store. Manufacturer Serial Number (MSN) E2188 ... BAe Systems . All in all we get a good deal out of the Royal family. A Royal Air Force transport aircraft has been adapted to carry medical patients in record time and at no cost. On July 10, 1978, BAe announced its decision to proceed with a full 146 programme, rolling out the first BAe 146-100 prototype on May 20, 1981. This isn’t a platform replacement (125/146 for C5500 or Learjet X) but a time to look at what is needed across defence taking into account the limitations of RAF Northolt and its location. Flights to and from the airport were grounded while emergency services dealt with the situation. BAe completely miss read the commercial aircraft market in my opinion selling up their Airbus stake and discontinuing a very successful regional jet left them almost zero stake in a sector that has grown considerably. The RAF’s BAe 146 CC3 fleet comprises two former-TNT Airways aircraft, which have been modified to carry out a tactical airlifter role. However my point is that it did not have to be. A third machine was ordered in 1989, but one of the three was sold in 2002. For info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MoDEL If the station then closes the lodger units, which at a quick count in my head number over a… Read more ». I like the part about it being part of the normal capability planning. The new RR Pearl engines improve economy by 13%. The pair entered operational service with the air arm in March 2013 after being acquired by the MoD for £3.91m under an Urgent Operational Requirement (UOR) to support the drawdown of UK forces in Afghanistan. About time, they were old when I left 20 years ago! The delivery stems from a £15.5m urgent operational requirement (UOR) contract, awarded in June 2012 by the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD), to convert the aircraft from commercial to new C3 military operating standard, as reported by Flightglobal. Kinda catch-22, the government doesn’t trust the MOD and the MOD doesn’t trust the government to not make sudden cuts / cost movements which it has to work around. During the early 1990s, BAe reinvented the 146 as the Avro RJ series of regional airliners. EUR 141.29. Purchased as a pair of ex-TNT 146-200QC aircraft in 2012, the C.Mk 3s entered service in 2013 after modifications, including the addition of a DAS, for RAF service. If we managed to get some Global 5000’s with a decent comms facility onboard that would be the absolute dream. The taxpayer does not pay for the royal family. The BAE Systems Tempest is a proposed fighter aircraft concept that is under development in the United Kingdom for the British Royal Air Force and the Italian Air Force (AMI). Related Companies. makes sense to me….why they didnt swap to biz jets years ago is a mystery to me, Hmm, 5200nmi range for the 5000, 5700nmi if they buy the 5500. ZE707 Royal Air Force British Aerospace 146-200QC. EUR 101.73. With the RAF buying Wedgetail & P-8, there is some sense in buying B737 for VIP/CSAT. 32(TR) Squadron already uses two BAe 146-100 models, known as the BAe 146 CC Mk2 in RAF parlance, for the transportation of members of the Royal Family, Government Ministers and senior military leaders. JetPhotos.com is the biggest database of aviation photographs with over 4 million screened photos online! All produced passenger variants have been included, such as the old BAe146-100, -200 and the newer BAe146-300, but also the heavily upgraded Avro RJ series. I agree. If required, the 146’s defensive aids suite (DAS) also offers government ministers and high-ranking military leaders protection during visits overseas where a risk to security is perceived. A 2nd hand Airbus A319CJ with V2500 engines would be more part British. Last year, we reported that the future of 32 (The Royal) Squadron was left in doubt when it was revealed that the RAF was looking to sell off its BAE 146 transport fleet. 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